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		<title>By: mavprof</title>
		<link>http://erinoconnor.org/2010/07/for-whom-bellesiles-tolls/comment-page-1/#comment-9985</link>
		<dc:creator>mavprof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like you, I&#039;m skeptical about the scientific basis of Rekers&#039;s academic research, as I am in general about academic research (often rife with tendentious interpretation and socio-political advocacy) in quasi-scientific fields like psychiatry, psychology, sociology, cultural anthropology, and ethnic and gender studies. For example, it&#039;s only been several decades since the American Psychiatric Association decided by convention vote to remove homosexuality from the category of &quot;mental illnesses.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like you, I&#8217;m skeptical about the scientific basis of Rekers&#8217;s academic research, as I am in general about academic research (often rife with tendentious interpretation and socio-political advocacy) in quasi-scientific fields like psychiatry, psychology, sociology, cultural anthropology, and ethnic and gender studies. For example, it&#8217;s only been several decades since the American Psychiatric Association decided by convention vote to remove homosexuality from the category of &#8220;mental illnesses.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Eveningsun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eveningsun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 20:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m no Rekers expert, but as I understand it his academic research is pretty deeply compromised by his religious views</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no Rekers expert, but as I understand it his academic research is pretty deeply compromised by his religious views</p>
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		<title>By: mavprof</title>
		<link>http://erinoconnor.org/2010/07/for-whom-bellesiles-tolls/comment-page-1/#comment-9978</link>
		<dc:creator>mavprof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eveningsun, thanks for mentioning the Rekers controversy, about which I hadn&#039;t heard. But a cursory check on it seems to show that the Bellesisles-Churchill cases concerned, inter alia, scholarly fraud, not hypocrisy. Correct?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eveningsun, thanks for mentioning the Rekers controversy, about which I hadn&#8217;t heard. But a cursory check on it seems to show that the Bellesisles-Churchill cases concerned, inter alia, scholarly fraud, not hypocrisy. Correct?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim @ Israel</title>
		<link>http://erinoconnor.org/2010/07/for-whom-bellesiles-tolls/comment-page-1/#comment-9975</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim @ Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;so much rubbish in literature nowadays irrespective of genre, there seems to be no reason at all to give sack to this guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;so much rubbish in literature nowadays irrespective of genre, there seems to be no reason at all to give sack to this guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Eveningsun</title>
		<link>http://erinoconnor.org/2010/07/for-whom-bellesiles-tolls/comment-page-1/#comment-9971</link>
		<dc:creator>Eveningsun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite the opposite, Dr. Weevil. I would very much mind being any of those people. I was offering up a hypothetical. I was saying that if I were ever to be guilty of academic misconduct, I would rather wind up being pushed into early retirement and named professor emeritus than be fired. I would rather be treated like Rekers than like Churchill or Bellesisles, just as, were I ever convicted of theft, I&#039;d rather get probation than five years in prison. Who wouldn&#039;t? But to say that is hardly to say one &quot;wouldn&#039;t mind&quot; being a thief.

I was saying I&#039;d rather be Rekers than Churchill or Bellesisles, but only when it comes to the former&#039;s treatment by the academy, not (as I wrote) &quot;in any other sense.&quot; I certainly wouldn&#039;t want to be busted as a customer at Rentboy.com. Who would?

Is that contemptible of me?

Your comment got me to thinking about whether being named emeritus is a &quot;&#039;reward&#039; in the usual sense.&quot; According to Wikipedia, professor emeritus &quot;may be given to a full professor who retires in good standing.... [I]t is typically awarded for &#039;long and distinguished service.&#039;&quot; Sounds about right. If not a reward in the material sense, emeritus status is certainly, with its implications of &quot;good standing&quot; and &quot;distinguished service,&quot; a reward in the social sense. In addition to the pat on the head, emeritus status usually also affords some perks with a modest dollar value, such as continued access to research databases and the campus recreation center.

Wikipedia also notes that &quot;Standards for granting professor emeritus status vary considerably from one institution to another.&quot; To which I can only say, apparently so.

FWIW, I liked the Galen quote about the taste of human flesh. Pork? Not surprising, I guess, though I&#039;d have thought it would taste more like chicken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite the opposite, Dr. Weevil. I would very much mind being any of those people. I was offering up a hypothetical. I was saying that if I were ever to be guilty of academic misconduct, I would rather wind up being pushed into early retirement and named professor emeritus than be fired. I would rather be treated like Rekers than like Churchill or Bellesisles, just as, were I ever convicted of theft, I&#8217;d rather get probation than five years in prison. Who wouldn&#8217;t? But to say that is hardly to say one &#8220;wouldn&#8217;t mind&#8221; being a thief.</p>
<p>I was saying I&#8217;d rather be Rekers than Churchill or Bellesisles, but only when it comes to the former&#8217;s treatment by the academy, not (as I wrote) &#8220;in any other sense.&#8221; I certainly wouldn&#8217;t want to be busted as a customer at Rentboy.com. Who would?</p>
<p>Is that contemptible of me?</p>
<p>Your comment got me to thinking about whether being named emeritus is a &#8220;&#8216;reward&#8217; in the usual sense.&#8221; According to Wikipedia, professor emeritus &#8220;may be given to a full professor who retires in good standing&#8230;. [I]t is typically awarded for &#8216;long and distinguished service.&#8217;&#8221; Sounds about right. If not a reward in the material sense, emeritus status is certainly, with its implications of &#8220;good standing&#8221; and &#8220;distinguished service,&#8221; a reward in the social sense. In addition to the pat on the head, emeritus status usually also affords some perks with a modest dollar value, such as continued access to research databases and the campus recreation center.</p>
<p>Wikipedia also notes that &#8220;Standards for granting professor emeritus status vary considerably from one institution to another.&#8221; To which I can only say, apparently so.</p>
<p>FWIW, I liked the Galen quote about the taste of human flesh. Pork? Not surprising, I guess, though I&#8217;d have thought it would taste more like chicken.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin O'Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 05:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim Lindgren has been doing more fact-checking--and it&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://volokh.com/2010/07/09/serious-questions-about-the-veracity-of-michael-bellesiles’s-latest-tale/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;not looking pretty&lt;/a&gt;. 

&quot;I have now read through every DoD casualty report from last fall for both Iraq and Afghanistan and news obituaries for most of them, and I have found none that was even remotely possible as the case that Bellesiles wrote about in the Chronicle.  ... Bellesiles’s story of Javier’s service and injury is so unusual that it should have been easy to verify. But it wasn’t. 

This leads to concerns about the Chronicle of Higher Education. Serious questions have now been raised whether the Chronicle of Higher Education has published claims from Michael Bellesiles that can’t be substantiated. This is unfortunate, as it undermines the Chronicle’s credibility and reputation. Liz McMillen, the editor of the Chronicle Review, therefore ought to check Bellesiles’s story. Fortunately, that’s easy to do. She merely has to contact Bellesiles, find out the real name of Javier (either a first or last name would probably do), examine Bellesiles’s syllabus to establish the timeline, and interview his Marine teaching assistant. With Javier’s real name, it should be extremely easy to verify the date and cause of his injury, his place of treatment, and his date of death. She need not publish Javier’s real name any more than Bellesiles did when he published his story about Javier; indeed, her inquiry would be less intrusive than Bellesiles’s original publication of his story in the Chronicle.  ... If the Chronicle were to do its duty and report its findings honestly, then we would know whether the story is true. If Bellesiles substantially made up his story to advance his career, then I would expect him to refuse to give Javier’s name to even a friendly editor from the Chronicle. Fortunately, the Chronicle should at least be able to review his syllabus and interview his teaching assistant. At the end of the day, the Chronicle should publish its findings or report that it was unable to verify Bellesiles’s story as true.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Lindgren has been doing more fact-checking&#8211;and it&#8217;s <a href="http://volokh.com/2010/07/09/serious-questions-about-the-veracity-of-michael-bellesiles’s-latest-tale/" rel="nofollow">not looking pretty</a>. </p>
<p>&#8220;I have now read through every DoD casualty report from last fall for both Iraq and Afghanistan and news obituaries for most of them, and I have found none that was even remotely possible as the case that Bellesiles wrote about in the Chronicle.  &#8230; Bellesiles’s story of Javier’s service and injury is so unusual that it should have been easy to verify. But it wasn’t. </p>
<p>This leads to concerns about the Chronicle of Higher Education. Serious questions have now been raised whether the Chronicle of Higher Education has published claims from Michael Bellesiles that can’t be substantiated. This is unfortunate, as it undermines the Chronicle’s credibility and reputation. Liz McMillen, the editor of the Chronicle Review, therefore ought to check Bellesiles’s story. Fortunately, that’s easy to do. She merely has to contact Bellesiles, find out the real name of Javier (either a first or last name would probably do), examine Bellesiles’s syllabus to establish the timeline, and interview his Marine teaching assistant. With Javier’s real name, it should be extremely easy to verify the date and cause of his injury, his place of treatment, and his date of death. She need not publish Javier’s real name any more than Bellesiles did when he published his story about Javier; indeed, her inquiry would be less intrusive than Bellesiles’s original publication of his story in the Chronicle.  &#8230; If the Chronicle were to do its duty and report its findings honestly, then we would know whether the story is true. If Bellesiles substantially made up his story to advance his career, then I would expect him to refuse to give Javier’s name to even a friendly editor from the Chronicle. Fortunately, the Chronicle should at least be able to review his syllabus and interview his teaching assistant. At the end of the day, the Chronicle should publish its findings or report that it was unable to verify Bellesiles’s story as true.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Weevil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Weevil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 03:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make it sound like you wouldn&#039;t mind being Bellesisles or Churchill, which some might find contemptible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make it sound like you wouldn&#8217;t mind being Bellesisles or Churchill, which some might find contemptible.</p>
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		<title>By: Eveningsun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eveningsun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 21:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe so. Rekers was only in his 50s when he retired. But still, when I compare the academic cashiering of Bellesisles and Churchill to the kid-glove treatment accorded by USC to Rekers, I sure know which I would prefer. Not that I&#039;d want to be Rekers in any other sense, poor guy....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe so. Rekers was only in his 50s when he retired. But still, when I compare the academic cashiering of Bellesisles and Churchill to the kid-glove treatment accorded by USC to Rekers, I sure know which I would prefer. Not that I&#8217;d want to be Rekers in any other sense, poor guy&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Weevil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Weevil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 20:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t &quot;rewarding&quot; someone &quot;with emeritus status&quot; just a nice way of saying &#039;pushing him into early retirement to get him out of the classroom&#039;? Hardly a &#039;reward&#039; in the usual sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t &#8220;rewarding&#8221; someone &#8220;with emeritus status&#8221; just a nice way of saying &#8216;pushing him into early retirement to get him out of the classroom&#8217;? Hardly a &#8216;reward&#8217; in the usual sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Eveningsun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eveningsun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 20:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even better, ask George Rekers, the infamous University of South Carolina psychologist who always seemed ready to demonize gay people in court as an expert witness. This would be the George Rekers who recently rented that rent boy.

At the same time that the University of Colorado was moving to investigate Ward Churchill, the University of South Carolina was rewarding its own fictionist with emeritus status. So maybe the best way for an academic hack to stay off the conservative hit list is to be a homophobic hack at a Southern University, and to make stuff up about gay people rather than the White Man.

As for Bellesisles&#039; recent Chronicle essay, it certainly doesn&#039;t strike me as self-evidently fabricated. The wingnut response to it seems vindictive, hyperbolic, unfounded, sadistic, and certainly not very Christian. No surprises there.

Anyway, the answer to Erin&#039;s question is obvious. Bellesisles can recover his lost stature--at least some of it--by doing honest work from here on out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even better, ask George Rekers, the infamous University of South Carolina psychologist who always seemed ready to demonize gay people in court as an expert witness. This would be the George Rekers who recently rented that rent boy.</p>
<p>At the same time that the University of Colorado was moving to investigate Ward Churchill, the University of South Carolina was rewarding its own fictionist with emeritus status. So maybe the best way for an academic hack to stay off the conservative hit list is to be a homophobic hack at a Southern University, and to make stuff up about gay people rather than the White Man.</p>
<p>As for Bellesisles&#8217; recent Chronicle essay, it certainly doesn&#8217;t strike me as self-evidently fabricated. The wingnut response to it seems vindictive, hyperbolic, unfounded, sadistic, and certainly not very Christian. No surprises there.</p>
<p>Anyway, the answer to Erin&#8217;s question is obvious. Bellesisles can recover his lost stature&#8211;at least some of it&#8211;by doing honest work from here on out.</p>
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